The chambers of your revolver have a shoulder that will headspace the cartridges so that they will fire just fine. Without clips, you can pluck the empties out with your fingers or poke them out with a pencil. To boot, the clipped ammo will fit easily in a standard ammo box. See below This is one i made. Pizza Bob. The best tool, hands down, for loading and unloading moon clips is the BMT tool.
Expensive, but worth every penny. Found here BMT Equipped, Inc. For the. While sub-. Here is their site Ranch Products This is a cottage industry and all their website nets you is a phone number. You have to call and talk to a live human being to place an order or make an inquiry.
Don't be surprised if the phone gets answered like it was your next door neighbor - maybe they are. Lastly, I have to respectfully disagree with Jack Flash and his claim that moon clips aren't necessary and that the round will headspace on the shoulder in the chamber. Theoretically, he is correct. However, since SAAMI sets the specs for cartridge dimensions, the shoulder is placed at maximum case length depth for a given caliber.
My experience has been that any factory ammo or brass, when new, is always considerably less than this dimension - meaning that, in reality, headspacing on that shoulder, by the case mouth, seldom actually occurs. This is more common with newer. So it is quite possible that early. What does happen is that variances in chamber roundness, smoothness, cleanliness and other variables, will hold some cartridges firmly enough that a firing pin strike will ignite the primers.
Others are driven forward in the chamber, which results in a light primer strike and a failure to ignite. Just as some rounds are held tightly enough for ignition and others are driven forward, some cases may drop out of the cylinder from gravity, while others may be "pluckable" and yet others will have to be poked out using a rod. You should consider moon clips essential for any revolver that is chambered for a rimless or semi-rimmed round.
The other alternative is using the rimmed version of that round, if one exists in your case the. Adios, Pizza Bob. Last edited by Pizza Bob; at AM. H Richard. The Mooncliptool is what you need to make your life easier. It is adaptable for various different calibers, I use mine with both 45 acp and 9mm.
I have a de-mooner tool. It works just fine. Not all metal clips are created equal. I got some that were too thick, and caused my cylinder to bind. Work great, and no tools. Not expensive either. Pricey, but well worth the money. Like they say: "buy once, cry once". They changed from a square head spacing shoulder to a beveled shoulder. While other members have reported missfires without clips, all of mine, including s, are reliable without clips.
Despite reading for 60 years that without clips you have to poke empties out with a rod I have never seen anyone do that. Despite all that, I love Auto Rim brass. I recently bought a bag of moon clips off eBay for I don't foresee ever needing to buy any more for the rest of my life. I also bought a de-mooner, which works very well. But, I still load the clips the old fashioned way. Originally Posted by bananaman. I just put one finger inside the hole in the full moon clip and press the rim over with my thumb.
If you "roll" it slightly it snaps right in. I use a home made de-mooner as shown above. Last edited by deyomatic; at PM. Has anyone had personal experience with this? I like clips and always use them.
Long ago I tried shooting. They all fired fine. But that was just a "see if it works" test done once with that particular revolver so I certainly can't say anything conclusively. I don't own an M25 but I could try it in a couple of Ms when I get time. People on this Forum are always talking about shooting. Perhaps one of them can chime in. I'm not an expert plus my experiences are limited. I've successively fired with and without moon clips both metal and plastic as well as auto rim, in older 's, the 's, modified 's, current 's, as well as the Governor.
The only trouble I recall, was the plastic Rimz clips wouldn't allow the cylinder to close in the Governor. ETA: I much prefer using the clips.
I'd like to try the BMT maybe someday but only tools I currently have is a home made de-mooner and the Mooncliptool that I acquired along with a M25 long ago. Last edited by jack the toad; at AM. My new PC has square shoulders in the cylinder, and will head space off the rim just like a There is no recess in the cylinder, and the rim sits nearly as high off the face of the cylinder as when the moon clip is used, with ample room for a thumbnail.
How tight the spent shell will be, I can't say. I haven't had it long enough to experiment. Replacing a fired shell is tight and won't fall out on its own, but not hard to remove either. That might be nice in an emergency, but fast it is not. Last edited by Neumann; at PM. Originally Posted by Neumann. The only way I can avoid occasionally writing that sort of thing is to walk away from what I've written then come back for a second proof read later.
That does take some of the fun out of the forum. We know what he intended to write. Terms of Service. All times are GMT The time now is AM. User Name. Remember Me? Thread Tools. Just purchased a mid 60s , S prefix. It came with a couple of full moon clips. I took it out shooting and had a heck of a time loading the clips and loading the gun, also had a challenge removing the spent cases afterwards from the clips.
I'm sure there's an easier way to use these clips if someone would like to share. The gun is a great shooter, thanks John. Lastly, I want to purchase some additional clips, is there a preferred source or manufacturer, the pair I have seem super tight.
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Visit steelslaver photo album. Basically the rounds clip into the clips. Once the rounds are fired, or if the weapon is to be unloaded, the whole package is ejected. A M, , M all work the same. The rounds can be fired without the clips, however the ejector star will not contact the casings, so extraction must be done done manually, sometimes even requiring a pencil or similar to push the casings from the front of the cylinder.
Later the full moon clips were developed as a faster way to load. In some circumstances the half moons may be easier to carry, but I believe most people, myself included, prefer the ease of use of the full moon clips. Sounds like a lot of fuss and bother to me. I LOad and use Auto Rims.
There is also the plastic moonclips that need no tools to remove the brass. I don't have any problem at all loading or unloading the metal moon clips. The shells simply snap in. Getting the empties back out requires more effort. Use the little tube gizmo, or you can even shove a stout stick into the empy cases and pull them off. Terms of Service. All times are GMT The time now is AM. User Name. Remember Me? Thread Tools.
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